ROLAND FANTOM-G

MIDI Master keyboardy, syntezátory, digitální piána, varhany... a příslušenství
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Příspěvek od EXCOM » 26 bře 2008 19:16

pytkin : no ved to.. to je presne ono, ta ergonomia toho klavesu ze sa mozes hrat a manipulovat so zvukom, co je skvele...
na druhu stranu rozsirit si Fantom-G o ARX kartu SH-201 by nemuselo byt zas az tak na zahodenie.. stal by sa z toho z casti syntak...

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Příspěvek od Pytkin » 26 bře 2008 20:34

excom : ja myslim ze moznosti sh201 by vo fantome mohli byt uz zabudovane ..

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Příspěvek od EXCOM » 26 bře 2008 20:41

pytkin : ako som ale cital tak F-G je sampler ako XS, teda pokial sa nemylim...

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Příspěvek od hubert » 26 bře 2008 20:48

Pravdepodobnost ze budu dalsie ARX boardy s dalsimi typmi syntez ako napr. VA...je veeeeeelmi vysoka......

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Příspěvek od EXCOM » 26 bře 2008 21:09

uz sa tesim, na taketo varianty :) to lahodi dusi 8)

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ARX

Příspěvek od EXCOM » 26 bře 2008 21:27

velmi prijemna prezentacka ARX-01 a 02
http://www.rolandus.com/flash/player/?p ... _tibbs.flv

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Příspěvek od dano » 26 bře 2008 21:34

pre mna je len strasna haluz prave to, ze Yamaha pustila karty s vlastnym synth enginom dole vodou a zrovna vtedy ich Roland zacal riesit... prisla teraz Yamaha s niecim, co by to vykompenzovalo? teda okrem implementovaneho Cubase (co je podla mna vynikajuce).

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Příspěvek od EXCOM » 26 bře 2008 21:57

dano : akurat sme to minule s pytkinom preberali preco to asi nedali na XS.. zjavne uz PLG boardy neexistuju, sa prestali vyrabat pred uvedenim XS na trh, a bolo by asi nerentabilne tam cpat porty pre PLG kedze by sa nedali efektivne nikde kupit.. uz aj na eBay sa velmi sporadicky objavia.. a zjavne vyrobu neobnovia...

nastastie Roland si tu rezervu nechal a ohlasil aj novu seriu ARX, takze mozme byt len radi :) ja som zvedavy ake budu pokracovat dalsie ARX.. niekde som cital ze ARX-03 ma byt Organ... ale to mozno bola len kacica... ale tie bicie zneju fakt perfektne uz aj v tom videu...

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Příspěvek od Pytkin » 26 bře 2008 22:16

dano, excom : ale je zvlastne ze tie boardy prestali robit .. Ale marketing je svina .. ked nieco nema cisla , ake sa od toho ocakavaju , koniec .. konci vyroba ..

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Příspěvek od EXCOM » 27 bře 2008 00:15

pytkin : nastastie mame eBay a tam sa sporadicky objavia za celkom priaznivu cenu, ale nechcem tu oftopikovat.. neviem ako marketingovo boli a su uspesne SRX a ako budu ARX.. ale asi im to vyslo ked v tom pokracuju... Yamahe sa to zjavne nevyplatilo ked s tym skoncovali.. Yamaha je vseobecne v tomto taka divna.. vymyslia dobru vec a potom ju v zapati pochovaju.. asi na to idu marketingovo 8)

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Příspěvek od Pytkin » 27 bře 2008 00:34

excom : jo presne tak .. z toho dovodu asi skoncila aj VL seria atd .. proste unikaty ..

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Fantom-G

Příspěvek od EXCOM » 27 bře 2008 22:32

este pre menej english zdatnych, aj ked to je zbytocne mozno ale nech tu rec nestoji.. Fantom-G je tu cobyduP :) paci sa mi ten udaj o polyfonii, ak by teda niekto rozmyslal o tom ze je jej malo :) to slovo Minimalna je vlemi mile, ked ze sa uvadza polyfonia Maximalna na inych produktoch...

Minimálna polyfónia:
  • 128 hlasov (spoločne so sekciou samplera)
Efekty:
  • Patche Multiefektov (PFX) 16 systémov, 76 typov
  • Multiefekty (MFX) 2 systémy, 78 typov
  • Chorus 1 systém, 3 typy
  • Reverb 1 systém, 10 typov
  • Vstupné efekty 1 systém, 6 typov
  • Masteringové efekty 1 systém, 3-band kompresor

Arpeggiator:
  • Arpeggio sady 128
  • RPS sady 32
  • Sady rytmických patternov 32
  • Pamäť akordov 128
  • Pamäť pre sady akordov 128
Formát dát:
  • 16-bitov, lineárne .WAV alebo .AIFF
Samplovacia frekvencia:
  • 44,1kHz
Ovládače:
  • Pitch Bend/Modulácia
  • Ovládacie potenciometre x 4
  • Ovládacie slidery x 8
  • Priraditeľné prepínače x 2
  • D BEAM ovládač
Pady:
  • 16 padov
  • dynamicky citlivé
  • s polyfónnym Aftertouch
Displej:
  • Touch
  • 8.5"
  • Wide VGA (800 x 480 bodov)
  • podsvietený LCD (farebný)

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Příspěvek od EXCOM » 09 dub 2008 22:02

Fantom-G DzuBox

PLAY - Patch Remain Example 1
PLAY - Patch Remain Example 2
PLAY - Live Set 01 : System G
PLAY - Live Set 02 : Big&Proud
PLAY - Live Set 04 : Dream Lead
PLAY - Live Set 05 : G-Grand
PLAY - Live Set 13 : It's About You
PLAY - Live Set 14 : 1st Call Brass
PLAY - Live Set 16 : Jazz Trio
PLAY - Live Set 20 : Landyn's Blend
PLAY - Live Set 41 : Mega-G Synth
PLAY - Live Set 46 : African Dream

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AUDACITY'S FANTOM-G REVIEW / FAQ

Příspěvek od EXCOM » 18 dub 2008 00:40

All right. On to your questions and comments... Most answers are from my observations—specific (albeit not word-for-word) answers from Roland will appear in quotes:

Prices? Availabity US/Europe/Germany?
US list prices are as follows (MAP/street will be less): G6—$2695, G7—$2995, G8—$3295. Basically, the same price as the Korg M3. Each ARX board lists at $449 (not $499, as someone claimed earlier). The Fantom-G ships worldwide in April, the ARX boards in May.

In what ways can the audio tracks be automated? What else can recorded to the sequencer (patch edits, for instance)?
Not sure; the demonstrator didn't know either. He suggested that automation could be recorded onto dedicated MIDI tracks in a similar way to the MV-8x00... seeing as there are 128 of 'em and only 58 possible destinations (thus far).

Anything going on with RPS?
RPS is still there; it's one of the pad modes.

The pads? Are they trigger BUTTONS now? If so, do they have a higher level of functionality than the current pads on the X? What can be assigned to them?
Yes, they're still pads. Yes, they perform other duties as well now, such as the aforementioned numeric keypad. There's also a dedicated PAD MODE button, which lets you quickly assign the velocity pads to:

1. Sample pads
2. Rhythm pads
3. Chord memories
4. Arpeggio (as in switching between 16 favorite arpeggios in real time—finally!)
5. RPSes
6. Rhythm patterns
7. Tone select/switches
8. Track mutes
9. Bookmarks for favorite pages
10. MIDI Tx switches
11. Effect switches
12. Patch MFX switches
13. Part select
14. Part mute
15. User group
16. Favorite SINGLE patches, LIVE SETS, STUDIO SETS, and/or songs (Live Setting Play)

The ubiquitous PAD SETTINGS button now opens a window, which is dependent on the current pad mode. For example, if you're in mode 16 (favorites), pressing PAD SETTINGS opens a window similar to Live Setting Edit on the Fantom X.

The file system... How has it evolved from the Fan-X?
The Fantom-G seems to work on a Project system. 128 User patches, 64 LIVE sets, 64 STUDIO sets, and up to 2000 samples/audio tracks are saved per project, most likely similar to the MV-8x00. You're still loading all samples/audio tracks for songs into RAM, but if you only have one song per project, this little extra management hierarchy can presumably go a long way.

Can you watch movies on the LCD?
Huh? No. You can, however, load BMP files as a background picture and/or screen saver.

Is Fan-G replacing or complementing the Fan-X?
Replacing.

Are the ARX-slots SRX-compatible?
No. Completely different technology.

Any existing SRX-sounds onboard Fan-G?
Yes, a bunch of them, from all twelve boards. No details as of yet.

Will there be a rack-version?
Not this NAMM at least.

Will there be a 37-key version?
No.

How does it handle 128 MIDI tracks? Are there seperate tracks for keys/pads/external or are they freely assignable?
Pretty sure they're freely assignable, though I saw an "Internal, External, ARX 1, ARX 2, or Sample" designation per track. I think. Honestly can't remember.

Hard drive inside or do you record onto the card slot media?
Neither. You're still recording directly to RAM. Bad news? Still only 544MB. Good news? That's 544MB per song (project), not total—plus, RAM tracks allow realtime timestretch. I was told that loading projects from USB keys (USB 2.0) is quite faster than from the FanX's PC card.

Does it have piano roll/graphic edit as well as list edit?
Presumably, but I didn't get a chance to see either. I do remember zooming way out to see a BUNCH of tracks (all 128?) at once though. I also remember seeing waveforms redrawing almost instantly, at a pretty high resolution. It looks closer to something like DP or Logic than a Fantom X. Obviously, the editing is not nearly as powerful as a computer DAW, but it's a huge improvement over the X (and other workstations). I did notice, however, that it's very different from the MV's sequencer. Not better or worse, just different.

How many pre-programmed arps are there? (e.g. compared to Motif's 6600 and Korg's Karma engine)
128, but each arp has 128 variations as well as 10 motifs (seriously—they're called arp motifs), so that's... several thousand? I'm not intimately familiar with the Yamaha's arpeggiator, so I can't comment on how this compares.

How many user-programmable arp slots are there?
128—All are user-programmable.

How many simultaneous arps are available?
Still only one, but it can be recorded to any of the 128 tracks, quantized, and used over and over again.

Can the arp setups be switched in realtime?
Yes, you can assign your favorite arp setups to the 16 velocity pads.

Display resolution? Angle adjustable?
As mentioned earlier, it might as well be an HD plasma. Just gorgeous. Not adjustable, however.

In/Out: Layout? How many MIDI outs?
Only one MIDI out. The one question I had was whether or not a MIDI track could be sent discretely from either a MIDI output channel OR a USB MIDI channel. Roland didn't have an answer for me. Since there are only 16 external parts, I'm assuming not. It'd be really cool to send one track on channel 1 to a Virus Ti and another track on channel 1 to Reason, but I don't think you can do that. Maybe in an update.

As a side note, the RD-700GX has—count 'em—FOUR MIDI outs. Three MIDI ports and the fourth is discrete, via USB. But no sequencer. Why the Fantom-G couldn't get another stupid MIDI port is beyond me.

USB 2? What can it be used for: Is it possible to stream both midi and audio?
Yes, USB 2.0. Both, simultaneously.

Usable as a sound card as well?
Yes, you can record audio (mic/instrument preamp with phantom power) with or without effects. You can also stream the computer's audio back through the Fantom-G (with or without effects), and run the whole mess via balanced outputs to the front-of-house mixer without any DI boxes. Slick.

Sampling still included? Skip back sampling still there?
Yes and yes. Dedicated buttons for each.

Storage media formats? Maximum size?
USB key. Was implied that theoretically, thus far, there is no limit (16-32GB???). Unfortunately, the demonstrator hadn't had a chance to try out a ton of keys, but both a 2GB and 4GB key "worked flawlessly". They also didn't completely shoot down the possibility of USB hard drives, which could potentially mean hundreds of GB. Again, I must stress that this is ALL preliminary information.

Do any of the onboard ROM samples differ from what is available on the Fantom-X along with the appropriate complement of SRX boards? (i.e. is there anything new that one couldn't achieve with a Fantom-X and the appropriate SRX expansion board?
Emphatically, yes. Some patches have been brought over, some patches are new (but utilizing older raw waveforms), many are completely new samples and patches. Was told that any older raw samples have been reintroduced to the new chip/engine from the original, uncompressed data, so they sound notably better now, and that a good majority of content has be brought up-to-date. Roland kept stressing the sound quality over anything else, and from what I could hear on a noisy NAMM floor, it doesn't disappoint. Will definitely need a quiet room and a pair of headphones come April.

Synthesis: what forms of alternative synthesis (other than ROM and sampling) are available e.g. VA? FM? etc.
None, at least thus far, unless you count ARX instrument "modeling" a type of synthesis.

The ability to make combinations with ALL the effects of the single programs (Assuming I read that right) without compromise is KILLER!
Yes, but seamlessly switching with effects only only works in the SINGLE and LIVE modes (1 and 8 parts respectively). The effects will get cut off in STUDIO mode, but you get all 16 parts. Yes, in STUDIO mode, each of the internal 16 parts gets its own insert effect... PLUS two MFX processors, PLUS a reverb, PLUS a delay/chorus, PLUS a multiband mastering processor.

What is with the Silver? Jeez if it weren't for the huge screen (Nice!) who could tell the difference between this and the old one?
Was told that Roland spent 4 years on the thing. It was designed from the ground up and "represents the single biggest leap in workstation technology Roland's ever done". Or something like that.

How many [audio tracks] at one time and can each input be sent to seperate tracks???
One mono or stereo. "It's not a replacement for a proper studio multitrack like the VS-2000." Was never meant to be.

Could I plug in the mic for my vocals and plug in my guitar and have them record to 2 SEPERATE tracks?
No.

No EQ per track?
Didn't see it. I assume the part's insert FX could be an EQ, so yes. Kinda.

Sampling rate has not improved (to me, this is the biggest reason why Fantom-G is "not that different" from an X.)
"Sampling rate isn't even in the top twenty of important factors when determining a synth's sound quality". Or something like that. I would agree.

Polyphony is still at 128
Yes, but if it were 256, you'd be paying at least another grand and everyone would complain. Was told more than once that the ARX boards do not eat into the polyphony of the unit at all and that it's incredibly easy to bounce tracks to free up voices and parts.

Doesn't seem like there's going to be a ton of new sounds (mostly pillaging the SRX boards ... which could work out fine but not as dramatic for expanded Fan-X owners)
The G contains mostly all-new sounds, with a few classics from the Fantom, a good amount from the Sonic Cell, and a bunch from the SRX boards. More samples and patches are still to come.

Does skip back sampling capture MIDI notes as well now?
Not sure. I suspect not.

Future ARX expansions: VA? Etc?
No one would even venture a guess. When I asked if the technology even allowed for VA, they replied "potentially". I got the impression that it was still up in the air.

Does the Fantom now have "effects remain" for totally smooth performance changes?
Yes, and I heard it. The demonstrator would play a LIVE SET (performance), complete with delays, reverbs, and looping rhythms, hold the sustain pedal, switch to a new LIVE SET, and everything was completely seamless. In fact, he could even play the new layer on top of the previous one... until the sustain pedal was released. It was really, really cool. I'm not aware of any other hardware piece that does this.

How has the sampling area changed? Can one freely move about the user interface now while sampling and re-sampling?
Sorry, I couldn't check this.

Can RPS change the pitch of sequences mapped to the keyboard now (making it more similar to an arp)?
No, but that's what arps are for.

What? No touchscreen? That's a lost opportunity.
People know I hate touchscreens, and if the Fantom-G had one, it'd be a grand shame. Certain screens show so much information, it'd be impossible to touch a parameter if you had fat fingers. The sequencer can show a hundred tracks at once. How would you select one by touching it? The mouse works great. WAY, WAY better than any stupid touchscreen.

Therefore could be 12 Stereo Audio Track in the 'G'
No, each audio track can be mono or stereo, since like the Fantom X, it uses the sampling engine. 24 mono or stereo audio tracks.

Why only 2 ARX slots?
Don't know. I can only assume because they're expensive.

Why isn't there 100 GB of ROM?! I mean if Kontakt can do it, why can't Roland?
Sigh... Kontakt doesn't use ROM.

It's evolutionary, not revolutionary!
Oh, shut the hell up. It's a ROMpler workstation, and a damn impressive one at that. I'll most likely snag the rack version if it's released later.

Any other cool differences?
Two assignable buttons above the pitchstick, an extra control pedal input, something called "Magic Control" (???), multiple bender modes where you can, say, bend only the last note played in a chord, and a dedicated transpose button (finally!).

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Fantom-X vs Fantom-G

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What does the Fantom G offer over the Fantom X?

•Eight to ONE HUNDRED TIMES the max storage (don't know yet; all evidence points to the latter)
•Possibly twice the max RAM
•Notable loading/saving speed increase (at least twice as fast)
•Notably faster boot time
•Project-based file system with project number limited only by storage
•Loading songs only loads samples for that song (if saved to dedicated project) instead of samples for all songs
•Number of user patches = 256 x number of projects
•Number of user performances = 128 x number of projects
•Number of songs = 64 x number of projects
•10-20 x the number of arpeggiator patterns
•8 x the MIDI tracks (128)
•3 x the audio tracks (24)
•2.12 x the number of simultaneous parts (34)
•4.4 x the number of simultaneous effects processors (22)
•Twice the number of Favorites (Live Setting Play) registrations
•ONE HUNDRED TIMES the tempo resolution
•Dedicated tempo/fader value display, regardless of screen mode
•WAY larger and higher resolution screen
•More visible parameters means less screen navigation
•Way more visual feedback, such as fader and knob levels
•Addition of 8 assignable faders
•Mic preamp with phantom power
•Impedance switch for optimizing input level
•USB audio interface with real-time streaming to/from computer
•No need to bounce internally, freeing up both time and precious RAM
•Relatively future-proof storage mechanism (USB key)
•All-new DSP processor chip, the first in almost ten years
•New optimized sound engine to run on said chip
•24-bit/96k converters
•New analog I/O (op amps, etc.)
•Overall, audible sound quality improvements
•Improved sample management
•Many new all new raw samples instead of only reprogramming existing ones
•Includes best-of SRX samples/patches
•All-new expansion card protocol, with the potential for new synthesis methods
•Expansion cards add both polyphony and multitimbrality, and don't eat into the existing engine at all
•First machine in almost two decades to eschew the confusing "patch vs. performance" dogma for the much simpler and more obvious Single/Live/Studio layout
•External parts are now independent with own mixer and settings
•Near-instant screen redraws on audio tracks
•Higher resolution on waveforms
•MIDI track regions display note data from main Song Edit screen
•Ten-key keypad with dedicated NUMERICS button
•Part select buttons
•Effects bypass switches
•Dedicated transpose button
•Dedicated LOOP and JUMP buttons
•Extra control pedal input
•Assignable buttons moved to above the joystick where they belong
•DAW-style graphical editing via mouse
•Scroll wheel on mouse scrolls up and down tracklist and adjusts other various parameters
•Combined CURSOR/VALUE layout more efficient
•Bend modes for choosing how the bender affects chords
•Instant switching of arp styles via pads
•Instant selection and muting of tones per patch via pads
•Dedicated track mutes via pads
•Patches sound exactly the same in Performance mode across all parts
•Perfectly seamless transitions between single patches and 8-part Layer/Split performances including effects
•Incremental keybed improvement on G6/G7 and Progressive Hammer Action II with Ivory feel keys on G8
•Dedicated FAVORITES button
•QWERTY-style patch/performance/song/sample/project naming
•OSX Spotlight-style search function
•Improved zoom and navigation functionality in sequencer
•Remembers last visited menu and submenus
•Removes superfluous buttons and streamlines workflow in numerous ways
•Fourth knob and eighth slider used for ultra-fast patch and menu scrolling
•Bookmarking screens now remembers submenus
•And last but not least, all the stuff we haven't even discovered yet, since the G isn't shipping

As a comparison, what were the differences between the Fantom-S and Fantom X?

•64 vs. 128 polyphony
•Monochrome vs. color screen, but pretty much the same interface
•8 audio tracks (2.0 or above)
•512MB Smart Media storage vs. 1GB CF card + PC adapter storage
•256MB max RAM vs. 512MB max RAM
•No proper multisampling vs. marginally usable multisampling (2.0 or above)
•Some new retooled patches
•A dedicated PIANO MODE button on the X6 and X7
•Clipboard function switched from copying/pasting pad settings to bookmarking pages
•Can delete songs without having to go into the File Utility Menu (2.0 or above)

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