Stavba houm studia v baraku-jak na akustiku ?
takovej trochu alienoidni dizajn
http://zainea.com/allinonehomecinema.jpg
http://zainea.com/allinonehomecinema.jpg
tohle mi prijde taky celkem ftipny, ma to z kousku drevicek
http://forum.studiotips.com/files/dsc08064_142.jpg
ale ja asi pujdu do panelu z audiopro
http://forum.studiotips.com/files/dsc08064_142.jpg
ale ja asi pujdu do panelu z audiopro
na to je ale jeste cas, ted me zajimaji ty kombinace vaty at treba zbytecne nevysolim deset litru za neco co pomuze minimalne, nejlip mi pocitove vychazi narvat tam 100mm tezky akusticky vlny treba rockwool airrock LN, doporucovanou na akusticky izolace + doplnit a vycpat mezeru necim lehkym a univerzalnim jenom aby tam nebyl vzduch, akusticky uz to asi moc nepomuze tak proc do toho cpat prachy
Neural: nevozi, snazil jsem se to ziskat na recenzi, ale asi to nedopadne (jeste ho zkusim ukecat, pak bychom to mohli vyzkouset treba spolu, kdybys chtel). Ale vim, ze to zrovna testuje pani Jana Dolejsi z akustikad, to je naka laborator na tyhle ucely. Tak se ji zkus ozvat, jak je spokojena. Pokud to vazne funguje, muzem se vykaslat na basovy pasti, rockwooly a podobny opicarny.
Naposledy upravil(a) Cyril dne 12 čer 2006 17:14, celkem upraveno 1 x.
Gearslutz.com:
"Got them in yesterday and had to remove 6 skylines. I was very skeptical b/c they don't look like much. Plastic with some wooden t bars to install them. I thought I was getting ripped. I only had time to install 4 on my ceiling in between me & the speakers. I noticed a dramatic improvement!! These are worth every penny! The sweet spot became nearly the entire room. My flutter echo was gone. The frequency distribution was far more even. I'm very convinced these may be the best product out there right now. Thats with installing only 4!!!! I've spent alot of money on room treatments in the past & I'm so glad these came out. I wish I'd have known of them before. Save the time & money and try these out. They're phenominal. My bass response is even in the room and the upper range is so clear I can hear reverbs I didn't know existed! I'll install the remaining 2 and do some room testing tonight to compare with my old room. I was really really impressed. I still have to do testing & actually mix a song to determine for sure if they're as good as my initial impression predicts. We'll see soon enough."
"I installed the remaining 2 and my room is now complete. I never thought I'd fix this room. Flutter echo between 2.5k-4k is definitely gone. Seems like my 120 & 500 dips are fixed a lot more. I'm very happy with the results. I'll be doing a further freq. analysis tonight. I listened to my reference CD's yesterday & they sound phenominal. I heard very few discrepancies. Well worth the cost. My room is so even the sweetspot is a thing of the past. I believe my mixes will translate better than ever. I'm going to a studio on the 1st to fine tune my mixes and master the project so we'll see soon enough. Considering I've spent well over $700 on other remedies that didn't work as well I think it's a great investment. My crappy foam stuff is moving to the live room."
"Well it is the most impressive product I have ever heard. My room is 5X5.5X2.90 meters (like a cube) and hass also an adjoining room without a door. When fistly mooved to my new house I was about to cry because the sound was horrible. Then I met Mr.Zainea who is an inventor with a great sense of music, deep knowledge in acoustics and radical ideas. He gave me 9 pieces and I put them on the ceiling. While we were installing them the sound started to become clear. When I finished the installation, the sound was really marvellous. After one year I added 6 more pieces (the more is the best). Now I believe that the sound I am hearing is a world-class sound. With my speakers in the given room I have real 20Hz performance (thanks also to my TL speakers). The secret with this device is that is the only product that works with the low frequencies ("absorbing" the "dirt") and diffusing also the mid and highs."
"Got them in yesterday and had to remove 6 skylines. I was very skeptical b/c they don't look like much. Plastic with some wooden t bars to install them. I thought I was getting ripped. I only had time to install 4 on my ceiling in between me & the speakers. I noticed a dramatic improvement!! These are worth every penny! The sweet spot became nearly the entire room. My flutter echo was gone. The frequency distribution was far more even. I'm very convinced these may be the best product out there right now. Thats with installing only 4!!!! I've spent alot of money on room treatments in the past & I'm so glad these came out. I wish I'd have known of them before. Save the time & money and try these out. They're phenominal. My bass response is even in the room and the upper range is so clear I can hear reverbs I didn't know existed! I'll install the remaining 2 and do some room testing tonight to compare with my old room. I was really really impressed. I still have to do testing & actually mix a song to determine for sure if they're as good as my initial impression predicts. We'll see soon enough."
"I installed the remaining 2 and my room is now complete. I never thought I'd fix this room. Flutter echo between 2.5k-4k is definitely gone. Seems like my 120 & 500 dips are fixed a lot more. I'm very happy with the results. I'll be doing a further freq. analysis tonight. I listened to my reference CD's yesterday & they sound phenominal. I heard very few discrepancies. Well worth the cost. My room is so even the sweetspot is a thing of the past. I believe my mixes will translate better than ever. I'm going to a studio on the 1st to fine tune my mixes and master the project so we'll see soon enough. Considering I've spent well over $700 on other remedies that didn't work as well I think it's a great investment. My crappy foam stuff is moving to the live room."
"Well it is the most impressive product I have ever heard. My room is 5X5.5X2.90 meters (like a cube) and hass also an adjoining room without a door. When fistly mooved to my new house I was about to cry because the sound was horrible. Then I met Mr.Zainea who is an inventor with a great sense of music, deep knowledge in acoustics and radical ideas. He gave me 9 pieces and I put them on the ceiling. While we were installing them the sound started to become clear. When I finished the installation, the sound was really marvellous. After one year I added 6 more pieces (the more is the best). Now I believe that the sound I am hearing is a world-class sound. With my speakers in the given room I have real 20Hz performance (thanks also to my TL speakers). The secret with this device is that is the only product that works with the low frequencies ("absorbing" the "dirt") and diffusing also the mid and highs."
neural ja sem narval na strop 10cm vaty pak zhruba 5 cm vzduchova mezera a pak zas 10cm vata,,,ale je pravda ze mam mistnost 4*2,80 takze to nevyslo zas tak draze,,inak na to sem se po ruznych vyptavanich a smejdenich po forech dal klasicke 2cm smrkove palubky,a vubec dalsi dve steny sem vyresil timhle spusobem tim rozdilem ze sem dal jen 5 cm rockwoll a na to ty palubky ,,ted premyslim ze este nejak elegantne trosicku poresim rohy,uz sem si vyrobil takove konstrukce 1m * 0,5 m a do toho dam rockwol 10cm a na to takovou bavlnenou tkaninu za 30kc m,,,a nato hodim nejaky grafac)))at to vypada pjekne ty rohy,,,,nechce se mi vycpavat cele rohy to by mne prislo na moc penez ,,,
resim to tak ze stejne nemam idealni rozmery mistnosti,,nemam equiment za miliony,,delam electronickou muziku,zaden zivy spev a a akusticke nastroje,,vestsina zvuku je stejne strasne zprznena distorsnama,a inyma efektama ,takze jebat valit kasu do nejakych vychytavek za tisice,si radsi koupim nordlead a sampler))este kdyz tam nebyla vata tak se mi tam skladalo lip nez v panelaku))no ated to bude paradicka,,,,peace)) nejvetsi pohoda je ze si to muzu pustit nahlas,,ne jak v tom zamrdanem panelaku))
resim to tak ze stejne nemam idealni rozmery mistnosti,,nemam equiment za miliony,,delam electronickou muziku,zaden zivy spev a a akusticke nastroje,,vestsina zvuku je stejne strasne zprznena distorsnama,a inyma efektama ,takze jebat valit kasu do nejakych vychytavek za tisice,si radsi koupim nordlead a sampler))este kdyz tam nebyla vata tak se mi tam skladalo lip nez v panelaku))no ated to bude paradicka,,,,peace)) nejvetsi pohoda je ze si to muzu pustit nahlas,,ne jak v tom zamrdanem panelaku))
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ja uz neverim nikomu nikde. mam chvilami podozrenie ze existuje novy druh bullshit propagandy. dnes uz reklamam nikto neveri, tak niektore firmy propaguju svoje veci priamo na forach a v inych "user reviews"....Cyril píše:Potvrzujou i na gearslutz.
aj ked nehovorim teraz konkretne o tomto produkte....to mi len tak napadlo po precitani vety "Potvrzujou i na gearslutz."
Cyril: v zasade to vypada docela ze by to mohlo fungovat, zaprvy bych kontaktoval tu babu co to ma na testy a pak bych sel do par kousku aspon na strop treba jen tak na test, kolik to stoji nahodou nevis ? a jestli by byl ten typek ochotnej to hodit do posty ? co si vlastne s nim vymejloval ? neco zajimavyho ? celkem me to zacina zajimat, kdyby to nestalo bura za metr tak je to rozhodne asi alternativa k tem vsem molitanum a piramidkam, dyztak pliis do posty, zacina me to zajimat a pokud de o tio testovani klido se muzem domluvit, ja domu koupim par kousku a uvidime, no a kdyz zjistime ze to je uplne na hovno tak az zase poletim do recka tak mu to osobne vomlatim vo hlavu
Takze konecne po dlouhy dobe sem se posunul ve stavbe studia a dokopal sem to do stavu kdy mam stavebne vsechno hotovy a o vikendu sem tam pracovne nastehoval par nastroju abych si udelal predstavu jak to tam asi bude rozmisteny a jak sem na tom s mistem. zatim neni zadna vnitrni akustika takze zvuk je jak z prdele s prominutim
postavil sem do vsech rohu nad sebe akorat po dvou balikach rockwoolu, podlaha je z MDFky a zatim neni koberec, bude snad do tejdne atd.
ted sem teda ve fazi kdy je mi jasny ze vsechno pujde zase ven protoze neni vymalovano, neni koberec a potreboval jsem zjistit jestli utlum sten je dostatecnej a neni potreba dodelat vic vrstev sadrokartonu nebo neceho jeste tezsiho (cetris apod.) coz vypada ze potreba neni protoze kdyz to ve studiu vyhulim tak nahlas ze to jde do extremu tak ven do exterieru neni slyset vubec nic a uvnitr preslech do sousednich mistnosti je tak slabej ze je to zanedbatelny, nekde na urovni beznyho sumu na pozadi, coz je super, ale bodejt taky ne kdyz sem do toho narval k 450mm stene z cihel 160mm tezkyho akustickyho rockwoolu Airrock ND (asi to nejlepsi co se da pouzit) takze utlum je super, ted ale co dal...
resim par veci a i kdyz uz se to tady vyskytlo milionkrat, uvitam jeste jednou par vet k tematu:
1- basovy pasti - napada me jestli udelat trojuhelniky 600/600mm nebo nejaky nesymetricky, treba 800/600 apod., co je lepsi ? ma to nejakej vyznam ?
2- bez vnitrni prostorovy akustiky zni zvuk na prd to je jasny, je to prazdna mistnost se spoustou odrazu atd, ale na prvni poslech sou slaby basy, coz muze bejt tim ze se tam triskaj stredy tak sou pri dany hlasitosti vc tech odrazu ty basy holt slabsi, coz mozna poresi aspon castecne prostorova akustika az bude, ale taky ma na to dost vliv velikost mistnosti ktera je dost mala (4,2 x 3,5 cca) nicmene ci myslim ze takhle velkych rezii je spousta a nejak to tam resit musej, resi to subwoofer treba kdyby bylo nejhur ?
takze zatim resim tyhle zakladni veci, az je (s Vasi pomoci) vyresim, dodelam koberec a vymaluju, nahazim nastroje napevno tak poslu naky fotky, zatim je to jenom jakobych fotil bilou sadrokartonovou mistnost s OSBckovou podlahou, nic zajimavyho.
jestli nekoho zajimaj skladby konstrukci tak cca takhle:
podlaha shora:
-koberec (zatim neni)
-OSB 25mm pero-drazka (staci jedna vrstva je to dostatecne tuha podlaha protoze je nasroubovana na hustym rastru cca a´500mm), v podlaze je po predeslych zkusenostech dilatovan kus cca 1500/1200mm pro zpevakovo podupavani, aby se to neprenaselo do okoli, mikrofon bude ze stropu pac zpevaci u toho hrozne dupou a kopou do stojanu
- rastr z tramku 80/100mm (100 na vysku) a´cca 500 mm vyplneno rockwoolem (cca 120mm, pod tramkama 40mm)
- tramky osazeny na gumovych aku podlozkach, ted to vezmu od spoda, na podkladni beton jsem vybetonoval a´cca 600 mm betonovy jakovy tramky cca 100/100 mm, takze vzniknul jakysi kolmy rastr k budoucimu rastru drevenych tramku, do techto tramku z betonu se napasovaly do kapes gumovy ctverce cca 100/100mm tl. 25mm a na ne se posadily dreveny tramky, cimz jsou tramky ve vzduchu a vsechny na aku podlozkach, nedotykaji se sten takze spolu s rockwoolem a OSB podlahou tvori plovouci prvek oddeleny uplne od vseho.
steny:
2x 12,5mm sadrokarton (na celni stene do ulice podlozeny OSB 15mm na pero a drazku, tu stenu jsem chtel mit tezsi)
na rastru z tramku 80/100 (100 na vysku od steny), odsazeno od steny cca 40 mm (kriva puvodni stena lita +-20mm)
vyplneno rockwoolem tl. 140-160 mm, tramky se nikde nedotykaji steny, na nich je dokola prubezny tramek na kterem lezi stropni tramky ktere jsou oddelene od puvodniho stropu, opet vyplneno rockwoolem. stenove tramky lezi na masivnich drevenych tramech ulozenych na podkladnim betonu opet na gumovych podlozkach, takze opet konstrukce ktera se nedotyka nikde niceho a lezi na gumach
podhled:
rockwool vyplnuje mezeru mezi stropem studia a puvodnim stropem = cca 100-160mm (nad tim je mistnost podkrovi, nesetril sem na akustice a funguje to!)
nahodim naky fotky, fotil sem jenom na mobil pac nic jinyho nemam ale pro predstavu bude asi stacit
jestli muzte nekdo neco napsat k tem basovym pastem atd na co sem se ptal tak predem diky, pocitam ze zbytek krome rohovych pasti vyresim panely z www.audiopro.cz
OSB 15mm pero-drazka
2x sadrokarton 12,5mm
postavil sem do vsech rohu nad sebe akorat po dvou balikach rockwoolu, podlaha je z MDFky a zatim neni koberec, bude snad do tejdne atd.
ted sem teda ve fazi kdy je mi jasny ze vsechno pujde zase ven protoze neni vymalovano, neni koberec a potreboval jsem zjistit jestli utlum sten je dostatecnej a neni potreba dodelat vic vrstev sadrokartonu nebo neceho jeste tezsiho (cetris apod.) coz vypada ze potreba neni protoze kdyz to ve studiu vyhulim tak nahlas ze to jde do extremu tak ven do exterieru neni slyset vubec nic a uvnitr preslech do sousednich mistnosti je tak slabej ze je to zanedbatelny, nekde na urovni beznyho sumu na pozadi, coz je super, ale bodejt taky ne kdyz sem do toho narval k 450mm stene z cihel 160mm tezkyho akustickyho rockwoolu Airrock ND (asi to nejlepsi co se da pouzit) takze utlum je super, ted ale co dal...
resim par veci a i kdyz uz se to tady vyskytlo milionkrat, uvitam jeste jednou par vet k tematu:
1- basovy pasti - napada me jestli udelat trojuhelniky 600/600mm nebo nejaky nesymetricky, treba 800/600 apod., co je lepsi ? ma to nejakej vyznam ?
2- bez vnitrni prostorovy akustiky zni zvuk na prd to je jasny, je to prazdna mistnost se spoustou odrazu atd, ale na prvni poslech sou slaby basy, coz muze bejt tim ze se tam triskaj stredy tak sou pri dany hlasitosti vc tech odrazu ty basy holt slabsi, coz mozna poresi aspon castecne prostorova akustika az bude, ale taky ma na to dost vliv velikost mistnosti ktera je dost mala (4,2 x 3,5 cca) nicmene ci myslim ze takhle velkych rezii je spousta a nejak to tam resit musej, resi to subwoofer treba kdyby bylo nejhur ?
takze zatim resim tyhle zakladni veci, az je (s Vasi pomoci) vyresim, dodelam koberec a vymaluju, nahazim nastroje napevno tak poslu naky fotky, zatim je to jenom jakobych fotil bilou sadrokartonovou mistnost s OSBckovou podlahou, nic zajimavyho.
jestli nekoho zajimaj skladby konstrukci tak cca takhle:
podlaha shora:
-koberec (zatim neni)
-OSB 25mm pero-drazka (staci jedna vrstva je to dostatecne tuha podlaha protoze je nasroubovana na hustym rastru cca a´500mm), v podlaze je po predeslych zkusenostech dilatovan kus cca 1500/1200mm pro zpevakovo podupavani, aby se to neprenaselo do okoli, mikrofon bude ze stropu pac zpevaci u toho hrozne dupou a kopou do stojanu
- rastr z tramku 80/100mm (100 na vysku) a´cca 500 mm vyplneno rockwoolem (cca 120mm, pod tramkama 40mm)
- tramky osazeny na gumovych aku podlozkach, ted to vezmu od spoda, na podkladni beton jsem vybetonoval a´cca 600 mm betonovy jakovy tramky cca 100/100 mm, takze vzniknul jakysi kolmy rastr k budoucimu rastru drevenych tramku, do techto tramku z betonu se napasovaly do kapes gumovy ctverce cca 100/100mm tl. 25mm a na ne se posadily dreveny tramky, cimz jsou tramky ve vzduchu a vsechny na aku podlozkach, nedotykaji se sten takze spolu s rockwoolem a OSB podlahou tvori plovouci prvek oddeleny uplne od vseho.
steny:
2x 12,5mm sadrokarton (na celni stene do ulice podlozeny OSB 15mm na pero a drazku, tu stenu jsem chtel mit tezsi)
na rastru z tramku 80/100 (100 na vysku od steny), odsazeno od steny cca 40 mm (kriva puvodni stena lita +-20mm)
vyplneno rockwoolem tl. 140-160 mm, tramky se nikde nedotykaji steny, na nich je dokola prubezny tramek na kterem lezi stropni tramky ktere jsou oddelene od puvodniho stropu, opet vyplneno rockwoolem. stenove tramky lezi na masivnich drevenych tramech ulozenych na podkladnim betonu opet na gumovych podlozkach, takze opet konstrukce ktera se nedotyka nikde niceho a lezi na gumach
podhled:
rockwool vyplnuje mezeru mezi stropem studia a puvodnim stropem = cca 100-160mm (nad tim je mistnost podkrovi, nesetril sem na akustice a funguje to!)
nahodim naky fotky, fotil sem jenom na mobil pac nic jinyho nemam ale pro predstavu bude asi stacit
jestli muzte nekdo neco napsat k tem basovym pastem atd na co sem se ptal tak predem diky, pocitam ze zbytek krome rohovych pasti vyresim panely z www.audiopro.cz
OSB 15mm pero-drazka
2x sadrokarton 12,5mm
komu se to predesly nechce cist tak tady vycuc:
resim par veci a i kdyz uz se to tady vyskytlo milionkrat, uvitam jeste jednou par vet k tematu:
1- basovy pasti - napada me jestli udelat trojuhelniky 600/600mm nebo nejaky nesymetricky, treba 800/600 apod., co je lepsi ? ma to nejakej vyznam ?
2- bez vnitrni prostorovy akustiky zni zvuk na prd to je jasny, je to prazdna mistnost se spoustou odrazu atd, ale na prvni poslech sou slaby basy, coz muze bejt tim ze se tam triskaj stredy tak sou pri dany hlasitosti vc tech odrazu ty basy holt slabsi, coz mozna poresi aspon castecne prostorova akustika az bude, ale taky ma na to dost vliv velikost mistnosti ktera je dost mala (4,2 x 3,5 cca) nicmene ci myslim ze takhle velkych rezii je spousta a nejak to tam resit musej, resi to subwoofer treba kdyby bylo nejhur ?
resim par veci a i kdyz uz se to tady vyskytlo milionkrat, uvitam jeste jednou par vet k tematu:
1- basovy pasti - napada me jestli udelat trojuhelniky 600/600mm nebo nejaky nesymetricky, treba 800/600 apod., co je lepsi ? ma to nejakej vyznam ?
2- bez vnitrni prostorovy akustiky zni zvuk na prd to je jasny, je to prazdna mistnost se spoustou odrazu atd, ale na prvni poslech sou slaby basy, coz muze bejt tim ze se tam triskaj stredy tak sou pri dany hlasitosti vc tech odrazu ty basy holt slabsi, coz mozna poresi aspon castecne prostorova akustika az bude, ale taky ma na to dost vliv velikost mistnosti ktera je dost mala (4,2 x 3,5 cca) nicmene ci myslim ze takhle velkych rezii je spousta a nejak to tam resit musej, resi to subwoofer treba kdyby bylo nejhur ?