Zdravim komunitu...
Mam problem s ktorym si neviem poradit,vlastne je ich viac tak snad to stoji za temu..
Mam notbuk Lenovo Z60m a cez cardbus pripojenu RME Multiface,ktoru som nedavno zohnal z druhej ruky, v nadeji,ze pri kombinacii IBM RME minimalizujem technicke problemy a moje babranie sa bude viac o hudbe a zvuku ako o ladeni systemu...
V podstate to slape celkom OK, pouzivam Ableton a nejake VST,pouzitelna latencia 3+3 ms (128sampl)..problem je vsak,ked natiahnem nejaky VST nastroj, napr. nieco z NI Electronic Instruments 2 XT a prepinam presety tak to lupne alebo na par milisekund zamrzne celkovy zvuk v abletone.
Predtym som pouzival lacnu zvukovku Transit cez USB a ta to nerobila,latenciu som mal okolo 10ms. Ked na Multiface dviham latenciu tak sa problem vytraca,ale to pre mna nieje riesenie. Problem ma korene asi v zdielani jedneho IRQ viacerymi zariadeniami:
System Information report written at: 06/10/06 18:56:15
System Name: DJ_F
[Conflicts/Sharing]
Resource Device
I/O Port 0x00000000-0x00000CF7 PCI bus
I/O Port 0x00000000-0x00000CF7 Direct memory access controller
IRQ 21 Intel(R) 82801FB/FBM PCI Express Root Port - 2662
IRQ 21 Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 2915ABG Network Connection
Memory Address 0xA0100000-0xA01FFFFF Intel(R) 82801FB/FBM PCI Express Root Port - 2660
Memory Address 0xA0100000-0xA01FFFFF Broadcom NetXtreme Gigabit Ethernet
IRQ 9 Microsoft ACPI-Compliant System
IRQ 9 VAXSCSI Controller
IRQ 16 Mobile Intel(R) 915GM/GMS,910GML Express Chipset Family
IRQ 16 Microsoft UAA Bus Driver for High Definition Audio
IRQ 16 Broadcom NetXtreme Gigabit Ethernet
IRQ 16 Intel(R) 82801FB/FBM USB Universal Host Controller - 2658
IRQ 16 Ricoh R/RL/5C476(II) or Compatible CardBus Controller
IRQ 16 RME Hammerfall DSP
IRQ 17 Intel(R) 82801FB/FBM USB Universal Host Controller - 2659
IRQ 17 OHCI Compliant IEEE 1394 Host Controller
IRQ 18 Intel(R) 82801FB/FBM USB Universal Host Controller - 265A
IRQ 18 Ricoh SD Bus Host Adapter
IRQ 18 Ricoh Memory Stick Host Controller
IRQ 19 Intel(R) 82801FB/FBM USB Universal Host Controller - 265B
IRQ 19 Intel(R) 82801FB/FBM USB2 Enhanced Host Controller - 265C
Memory Address 0xA0000-0xBFFFF PCI bus
Memory Address 0xA0000-0xBFFFF Mobile Intel(R) 915GM/GMS,910GML Express Chipset Family
Takze jedno prerusenie (16) je priradene ovladacu grafiky,USB,sietovka,zvukovka a cojaviem este...Neviem ako mam vypnut ACPI controller vo Win XP,pretoze ked robim novu cistu instalaciu tak je to vlastne backup od IBM,nie klasika kde to mozne je...
Uz sa mi tiez 2x stalo,ze mi zostal displej na bielo a dnes na zeleno,z nicoho nic...musel som natvrdo restart...
Znamy ma prehovara zmenit system, vyskusal som Multiface na dual G5 2,3GHz...v Abletone to sice zerie rychlejsie vykon,ale snad to este doladia. Zato praca v Tigrovi a hlavne multitasking je uzasny...Jedine co ma zaujima a ak teda moze niekto poradit, oplati sa investovat do dual G5 powermaca ked uz sa predavaju novi intelmackovia? Ti ale nepodporuju pci ani pcmcia slotmi a Multiface si chcem nechat...
Myslim to asi tak...oplati sa vymenit IBM Z60m (1GB RAM,centrino 1,83,100GB sata...) za dual G5 2,3 GHz (starsi model s pci-x, 1,5GB RAM,250 GB sata...)??
dik
Z60m + Multiface konflikt IRQ
tie prerusenia su dosledkom acpi. ovsem vypnut acpi (nainstalovat widle s non-acpi HAL) znamena zlikvidovat aj uspavanie, hibernaciu, kontrolu baterky a dalsie veci ohladom spotreby, ktore acpi riesi, to pri notebooku je dost o drzku. mozno by bolo riesenim nainstalovat DRUHY XP system na dalsiu particiu a bez acpi. HAL sa vybera tak, ze ked zacne bootovanie XP instalation disc-u a pyta sa na externy scsi/raid kontroler, stlacis f5 a vyberies z menu...
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ACPI works extremely well with Windows XP, and has been significantly improved upon over Windows 2000.
Therefore, it is recommended that you first try installing Windows XP with the default option, which is as an ACPI computer.
The only time that the "Standard PC" mode can be recommended with XP, is when you are experiencing audio card or other problems (possibly relating to IRQ sharing/stacking), and only when you have exhausted all other possible causes.
If you have one of the more modern motherboards that has APIC capabilities, then it is definitely recommended that you install Windows XP as an ACPI computer.
In fact, installing Windows XP as a "Standard PC" on an APIC compatible computer will probably result in reduced performance and a reduction with overall reliability.
The number of available interrupts is increased from 15 (0 to 15 with irq2 reserved) to 24 or more with an APIC system, when using XP and ACPI.
Indeed, some IOAPIC's have 64 interrupts, and some motherboards have more than one APIC, potentially giving hundreds of IRQ's.
You should find that there is absolutely no IRQ sharing whatsoever when using an APIC/XP/ACPI installation.
If you have an older motherboard without APIC, then it may be better to install as "Standard PC".
However, the bottom line is that if you have a working system with ACPI, then leave it alone. If it isn't broken, then don't fix it.
To find out if your motherboard has APIC, then please refer to your motherboard manual and/or check in the BIOS. If you want to use APIC, then make sure it is enabled in your BIOS.
When installing XP as an ACPI PC on an APIC motherboard, it doesn't matter what the "Plug and Play OS" setting is in your BIOS. XP will override this anyway. Microsoft actually recommend setting this to "No" regardless.
If you do decide to install as a "Standard PC", then follow the steps below.
Firstly, the entry Plug and Play OS in your motherboard's BIOS should be set to 'NO'. Click here to find out why.
During installation of the XP operating system, you will see a screen displaying the message - "Press F6 if you need to install a third-party SCSI or RAID driver". At this point, press the F5 key (this won't be supplied as an option on the screen and the installation won't wait, so you'll need to babysit the installation process and hit the key at the right moment). A few seconds after pressing F5, you will be presented with an option to select either "Standard PC" or "Other (ACPI) PC".
At this point, select "Standard PC".
If you have already installed XP with ACPI, then you can change to "Standard PC" in the device manager afterwards. However, this method doesn't appear to be as effective as disabling it during the install. To do this, Start > Settings > Control Panel > System > Hardware Tab > Device Manager. Expand the Computer at the top of the list and right click the ACPI Computer > Drivers > Update Drivers > Select List > Standard PC. Note that when you reboot your PC, you will need to re-install all of your device drivers again.
ACPI works extremely well with Windows XP, and has been significantly improved upon over Windows 2000.
Therefore, it is recommended that you first try installing Windows XP with the default option, which is as an ACPI computer.
The only time that the "Standard PC" mode can be recommended with XP, is when you are experiencing audio card or other problems (possibly relating to IRQ sharing/stacking), and only when you have exhausted all other possible causes.
If you have one of the more modern motherboards that has APIC capabilities, then it is definitely recommended that you install Windows XP as an ACPI computer.
In fact, installing Windows XP as a "Standard PC" on an APIC compatible computer will probably result in reduced performance and a reduction with overall reliability.
The number of available interrupts is increased from 15 (0 to 15 with irq2 reserved) to 24 or more with an APIC system, when using XP and ACPI.
Indeed, some IOAPIC's have 64 interrupts, and some motherboards have more than one APIC, potentially giving hundreds of IRQ's.
You should find that there is absolutely no IRQ sharing whatsoever when using an APIC/XP/ACPI installation.
If you have an older motherboard without APIC, then it may be better to install as "Standard PC".
However, the bottom line is that if you have a working system with ACPI, then leave it alone. If it isn't broken, then don't fix it.
To find out if your motherboard has APIC, then please refer to your motherboard manual and/or check in the BIOS. If you want to use APIC, then make sure it is enabled in your BIOS.
When installing XP as an ACPI PC on an APIC motherboard, it doesn't matter what the "Plug and Play OS" setting is in your BIOS. XP will override this anyway. Microsoft actually recommend setting this to "No" regardless.
If you do decide to install as a "Standard PC", then follow the steps below.
Firstly, the entry Plug and Play OS in your motherboard's BIOS should be set to 'NO'. Click here to find out why.
During installation of the XP operating system, you will see a screen displaying the message - "Press F6 if you need to install a third-party SCSI or RAID driver". At this point, press the F5 key (this won't be supplied as an option on the screen and the installation won't wait, so you'll need to babysit the installation process and hit the key at the right moment). A few seconds after pressing F5, you will be presented with an option to select either "Standard PC" or "Other (ACPI) PC".
At this point, select "Standard PC".
If you have already installed XP with ACPI, then you can change to "Standard PC" in the device manager afterwards. However, this method doesn't appear to be as effective as disabling it during the install. To do this, Start > Settings > Control Panel > System > Hardware Tab > Device Manager. Expand the Computer at the top of the list and right click the ACPI Computer > Drivers > Update Drivers > Select List > Standard PC. Note that when you reboot your PC, you will need to re-install all of your device drivers again.
kexik praveze na Lenovo laptopoch je taka modra klavesa ThinkVantage a cez nu sa vstupuje do biosu alebo robi backup systemu a tam je ten instalacny proces win xp iny...mne sa asi ani nebude dat 2x nainstalovat xp,aspon yteda nie ten co mam k nodbuku...
hybernaciu som vypol,akurat kontrola baterky je dost podstatna asi a pri nonacpi systeme je redukovany vykon?
najskor asi skusim ten postup od brooklyna,vypnut to vo win...
hybernaciu som vypol,akurat kontrola baterky je dost podstatna asi a pri nonacpi systeme je redukovany vykon?
najskor asi skusim ten postup od brooklyna,vypnut to vo win...
macbook, maschine, logic 9, korg zero4, lpk25, yorkville ysm1
tak som to nejako posr....
prepol som to vo win podla toho brooklynovho postupu...
"If you have already installed XP with ACPI, then you can change to "Standard PC" in the device manager afterwards. However, this method doesn't appear to be as effective as disabling it during the install. To do this, Start > Settings > Control Panel > System > Hardware Tab > Device Manager. Expand the Computer at the top of the list and right click the ACPI Computer > Drivers > Update Drivers > Select List > Standard PC. Note that when you reboot your PC, you will need to re-install all of your device drivers again."
po restarte system zacal vyhladavat a instalovat zariadenia a po par minutach zamrzol...a uz mi zmrzne vzdy po nabehnuti,neviem to vratit spat..
nonacpi system mi asi fungovat na tom laptope nebude...prave instalujem nanovo a ak sa mi ho podari predat,kupujem g5
zatial vsetkym vdaka za rady
prepol som to vo win podla toho brooklynovho postupu...
"If you have already installed XP with ACPI, then you can change to "Standard PC" in the device manager afterwards. However, this method doesn't appear to be as effective as disabling it during the install. To do this, Start > Settings > Control Panel > System > Hardware Tab > Device Manager. Expand the Computer at the top of the list and right click the ACPI Computer > Drivers > Update Drivers > Select List > Standard PC. Note that when you reboot your PC, you will need to re-install all of your device drivers again."
po restarte system zacal vyhladavat a instalovat zariadenia a po par minutach zamrzol...a uz mi zmrzne vzdy po nabehnuti,neviem to vratit spat..
nonacpi system mi asi fungovat na tom laptope nebude...prave instalujem nanovo a ak sa mi ho podari predat,kupujem g5
zatial vsetkym vdaka za rady
Pytkin:
ja myslim,ze este neskoncilo co sa pouzitelnosti tyka, na intelackych mackov este len doladuju soft a to chvilu potrva, na ppc mam istotu...
a za druhe, nedavno som zohnal multiface s cardbusom a pci,keby som kupil imaca tak ju musim predat a zohnat nejaku firewire,ale zohnal som ju celkom vyhodne a chcem si ju nechat no a dual g5 2,3GHz s 1,5 GB RAM mozem mat teraz tiez celkom vyhodne od znameho,vlastne za cenu terajsieho laptopu...mobilita mi zatial chybat nebude,co mi chyba je stabilita,aj napriek tomu,ze som sa snazil vybrat si kvalitny hardware...ale asi s takym systemom ako je win to asi nikdy nebude k mojej spokojnosti
ja myslim,ze este neskoncilo co sa pouzitelnosti tyka, na intelackych mackov este len doladuju soft a to chvilu potrva, na ppc mam istotu...
a za druhe, nedavno som zohnal multiface s cardbusom a pci,keby som kupil imaca tak ju musim predat a zohnat nejaku firewire,ale zohnal som ju celkom vyhodne a chcem si ju nechat no a dual g5 2,3GHz s 1,5 GB RAM mozem mat teraz tiez celkom vyhodne od znameho,vlastne za cenu terajsieho laptopu...mobilita mi zatial chybat nebude,co mi chyba je stabilita,aj napriek tomu,ze som sa snazil vybrat si kvalitny hardware...ale asi s takym systemom ako je win to asi nikdy nebude k mojej spokojnosti
f.un: preco si proste nekupis pc desktop? valna vacsina tychto hororovych scenarov sa tyka laptopov. dual g5 sice dnes vykonovo staci, ale za chvilu narazis na dno... proste nebudu nove pluginy, nove releasy softu, nic... ja si trochu pamatam jak to vyzeralo ked prisli ppc a tiez to nebolo zdaleka hladke a lacne
Hello!
Unfortunatly, I don't understand czech, but could digure the issue is with rme cardbus and z60m.I also have this notebook, and multiface which was connected to desktop pc. I wanted to by cardbus, but I saw this... so if someone could tell me in english what is the problem which occured I would be grateful;)
I need this setup it for live mixing, latency is
not so much important. I use simultaneously10(8 mono+stereo monitor out)mono chanells which I route from cubase engine to rme mixer
which outputs are connected to outboard mixer.
Unfortunatly, I don't understand czech, but could digure the issue is with rme cardbus and z60m.I also have this notebook, and multiface which was connected to desktop pc. I wanted to by cardbus, but I saw this... so if someone could tell me in english what is the problem which occured I would be grateful;)
I need this setup it for live mixing, latency is
not so much important. I use simultaneously10(8 mono+stereo monitor out)mono chanells which I route from cubase engine to rme mixer
which outputs are connected to outboard mixer.
Zkus ve správci zařízení nebo ještě lépe v BIOS Setupu zakázat všechny ovladače zařízení, která nepoužíváš.
Máš tam určitě spoustu zbytečných zařízení.
Např. Síťová karta, USB, SCSI, FireWire, UAA Driver pro HDA, čtečku paměťových karet, atd. Pokud je přesto používáš, určitě je nepotřebuješ, když děláš se zvukem. V tom případě si vytvoř ve správci systému hardwarové profily a pro práci se zvukem je přepínej. Důležité je abys u žádného zařízení neměl vykřičník. Bohužel IRQ je historická relikvie a narozdíl od jiných technických omezení IBM PC (myšleno jako historický standard) se to nepodařilo zcela překonat. Je to daň za kompatibilitu.
Měl jsem s tím taky problém, ale projevilo se to pouze ve hře NFS Undreground2, když se objevila modrá obrazovka. Dělal to přídavný ATA řadič. Nepomohl ani upgrade ovladačů. Když jsem disk přepojil na chipsetový řadič a ten přídavný jsem vypnul, problém zmizel.
Máš tam určitě spoustu zbytečných zařízení.
Např. Síťová karta, USB, SCSI, FireWire, UAA Driver pro HDA, čtečku paměťových karet, atd. Pokud je přesto používáš, určitě je nepotřebuješ, když děláš se zvukem. V tom případě si vytvoř ve správci systému hardwarové profily a pro práci se zvukem je přepínej. Důležité je abys u žádného zařízení neměl vykřičník. Bohužel IRQ je historická relikvie a narozdíl od jiných technických omezení IBM PC (myšleno jako historický standard) se to nepodařilo zcela překonat. Je to daň za kompatibilitu.
Měl jsem s tím taky problém, ale projevilo se to pouze ve hře NFS Undreground2, když se objevila modrá obrazovka. Dělal to přídavný ATA řadič. Nepomohl ani upgrade ovladačů. Když jsem disk přepojil na chipsetový řadič a ten přídavný jsem vypnul, problém zmizel.
1) Máš s tímto sám zkušenost?! Pokud jsi ten můj příspěvek nepřečetl celý pak já s tímto problémem zkušenost mám.widlam je jedno, kolko zariadeni nepouzivas, aj tak v tejto instalacii (po odobrani zariadeni) nic nezmenia a zdielania ostanu. riesenim je cista reinstalacia po zakazani hw v biose, a aj to nie vzdy.
2) Kolizi nemusí způsobovat samotné IRQ, ale kterýkoliv blbý driver jakéhokoliv zařízení může způsobovat jakoukoliv kolizi. Proto lze zakázáním nepoužívaných zařízení předejít mnoha problémům. To není můj výmysl, ale odbornou literaturou podložený fakt.
3) Když se v BIOSu zakáže zařízení, windows pro toto zařízení neinicializují driver. Nechápu proč znova instalovat.
4) Ať to sám vyzkouší a pak může referovat.
5) offtopic: Máš úctyhodné znalosti a přehled kexiku, ale kdybys těch příspěvků zde měl o polivinu méně jenom by tady prospělo. To samé platí o mnohých další moderátorech. Nic ve zlém
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